I figured that someone who made such a claim above (Mr/Ms 3221) would know! HLM is not condemned by the Church. god bless. To this day my daughter recites the rosary daily and every possible chance Adoration It is not a command to obedience. I once read that people bring their own holiness to these sites. The ministry has literally changed my life. It is like the fruit put into the basket of love and humility. The logic is the same. Mark-Mary Ames, CFR, Libya and the Doctrine of Justifiable Rebellion. From EWTN document PRIVATE REVELATIONS AND DISCERNMENT OF SPIRITS: The objection will be raised: The Church was so slow in approving Fatima, and so people lost so many graces while waiting. In conclusion, any Catholic who continues to promote HLM and Maureen Sweeney-Kyle needs to examine their conscience and review Church teaching. ( I keep asking the following question but I never get an answer from the scoffers who write here: If your bishop tells you that the Holy Eucharist is only God during Mass, so disregard the Sacred Species otherwise, will you do so so that you can feel truly obedient?) Our Lady with the bowl in her hand and using the baking of a cake to put forth her message. reputable theologian who has examined the subject. You are mixed up, Elizabeth and you need a good Catholic priest to help you think things through. Thank you for this article on Holy Love. Did it automatically disappear? Loyalty to the Church has never meant disregarding Truth. The relevancy of the full doctrine of the Catholic Faith being taught at HLM is most relevant to the deplorable catechesis that has gone on in this country for 40 years due to poor and, in some cases, nonexistent teaching by the bishops.. That you state that HLM messages are irrelevant to the topic again shows your blind obtuseness to the truth. PrairieHawk, The messages also portray the Father as saying that He (the Father) is the Holy Spirit: "I am that True Holy Spirit" (God The Father, March 5, 2010). Cover me with the Precious Blood of Your Divine Son. Maureen Sweeney - Holy Love Ministries - EPHESIANS-511.NET- A Roman The remnant are not those necessarily following HLM, but rather those who follow the truths of the Catholic Church with a humble openness to God.If one is doing this, one does not necessarily need HLM to tell them what one already knows. Most young people do not really understand the supernatural dimension of Catholicism. However, my experience there (quite unexpected) threw me into 19 years of anxiety, stress, and doubt. Our Lord and His Mother lead us into the Church, not away. For without charity and unity with the Church, there can be no salvation for Catholics. 3) The faithful in the Diocese of Cleveland are admonished against gathering for functions (presumably held by HLM) on HLM property. I pray daily for wisdom and dicernment. As Catholics, we are to follow what they ask of us. This again, is the issue of either cooperating with grace, or rejecting grace. You assume you are free to mock that which many others treasure without dealing with the hurt and indignation you engender. Ha! An admonishment IS a warning, and not a condemnation. Excellent, pertinent points. Thank you for posting that. A meeting with Holy Love representatives made it clear that the ministry will not subject themselves to the Catholic Church. Stop the scoffing and mocking. I found all my references on the orhtodox website, Catholic Apologetics, which can be googled on the internet. Yes, all are encouraged to pray it and I know an Episcopalian minister who used to pray it, to her credit; but, it is a Catholic prayer. That bishop also prevented a lot of people from being saved. Who should God Himself obey if He has no superiors? If one reads Lennons Decree carefully, there is a LOT more going on in it than how some are arguing it. Satans work! And I am not speaking of HLM being accepted by bishops. I realize I did not know nor could I have ever guessed but I do feel ashamed to have offended by being ignorant. When we use are judgment, our God given intellect, to discern, and act on it, we are not being gods. Such people will not be attracted to obvious evil. One is either Catholic or not. That is what the local bishop issued in the case of Holy Love. (Medjugorie). As it has always been, all people of all faiths are welcome to join us in prayer and the peace that Heaven offers at this site.. It is just that simple. The math simply doesnt add up! Would you still go to mass if the celebrant is a woman priest? That is not to say that they obeyed any superiors request to stop preaching the Truth. Dont let it ruin your family too. Please understand that I speak to you as one martyred for the Truth of private revelation despite evidence to the contrary. In his decree of November 11, 2009 Bishop Lennon made it clear that because of a number of issues it was necessary to forbid priests to celebrate the sacraments at the site of the Holy Love shrine and that the faithful are admonished to cease gathering there. How did you read his statement? The bishop has an obligation to pastor his people and protect and nourish their faith. Find me one misleading thing in any of her messages she has written that shows the Devil is trying to win over people and take them out and away from the church. i believe there were over a hundred clergy in non holy relationships for many yrs and overlooked by whom.??? Mary Kochan has my contact information. I do believe the current administration is a judgment of sorts on us. You *will* have to answer for that someday, even though you may not believe that now The bishop is not infallable, and people must use their own discernment. Perhaps Bishop Lennon had something like the above in mind when he condemned S-Ks claims? You will not be able to do so.The charism of HLM is the preservation of the true Faith. Ive studied and practiced the Holy Love messages for over 25 years, and can assure you the apparitions there are authentic. Therese of Lisieux ((Doctor of the Church) told her novices Pick up a pin and save a soul. Dont get caught up in the politics. You make some good points. I did. There are none. Many Catholics wishing to promote alleged or unapproved private revelations use a maxim to justify their position. God can use all things for good. Bishop Lennons is not the last word about HLM either. Therefore, this official proclamation by the Bishop will be of little regard to Sweeny-Kyle, or her husband Don Kyle, the director of Holy Love Ministries. So, the heart of the Triune God, existing only in the human nature of the second person of the Holy Trinity, is a four-chambered heart, NOT A SIX-CHAMBERED HEART AS CLAIMED BY THE HOLY LOVE MESSAGES.. So he abandoned the responsibilities of his vocation, fatherhood, and took on these other responsibilities. He does not use the word FORBID because he does not have CANONICAL GROUNDS to do so. [I marvel at the protection of the (created and uncreated) Immaculate Conception!]. thomas stated 20 yrs before he was beheaded that the king would have his ,thomashead if thomas interferred with the king. Be aware that there are those who tolerate the followers of HL to display objects, holy water, and such in the midst of allegedly Catholic ministries. Does he support homosexual groups? Does it not seem a bit odd that Jesus would be speaking about what he calls the Angel Chip, the dark chip, that Satan is preparing and in the near future, we all will have inserted under the skin, and Satan will then be able to control our minds by it. What happens if one day your Bishop told his diocesan priests that they are forbidden to celebrate mass from now on? One local bishop is not the definitive word on an apparition site, nor does it denote the definitive decision of the Catholic Church hierarchy. Holy Mother Church hasnt reserved judgement, as you say. All grace flows through Marys Heart because (as was said above) she is the Mediatrix of all graces. This explicitly negative judgment is a definitive God is not the source of this claim.. If there were something erroneous in the doctrine taught at HLM, Bishop Lennon would have stated it. Oh, so you are not going to respond to the explanations I made regarding your accusations of heresy? Holy Love - An Ecumenical Ministry & Shrine Holy Love has changed their name numerous times. As quoted in the Summa, here are some errors in thinking which underlie false obedience, that is, obedience through excess: (1) Church hierarchy is absolute. 3. Did it say to submit to heretical bishops? Find me one theological errorjust one. Elizabeth, Our Blessed Mother at HLM had every right to do what she did. These are the facts and this is what in the world I am talking about.. I believe there was supposed to be a lock of her hair?? The Bishop explicitly states HLMs claims to be not supernatural in origin. Our Lady is preserving our beautiful Faith that the bishops are letting die through their ineptitude and cowardice. If someone has come to this point, has no internal red flags upon hearing any of these messages, it follows that they wouldnt care what the Bishop has to say. This, fellow Catholics, should have been the red flag that immediately exposed the apparitions long before an official proclamation. NO legitimate apparition in the history of the Catholic Church has EVER told/ordered/directed someone to go outside of the authority of the Church in order to make itself known. In the meantime I really cannot understand how this ministry that promotes. I just read the My story is quite unusual, perhaps. HLM is doing the job that the bishops should be doing, that is teaching the ancient truths and deep theology of the CCC. The difference in wording is salient. 6/29/93 from Our Lady: Forgive everything and you will not be in error. This is contrary to our faith. When was the last time any Catholic heard a Bishop or a Priest condemn the evil of contraception from the pulpit? He has issued a warning. Loyalty to Christ means loyalty to the fullness of the Faith in its pristine splendor. Therefore, only one person of the Holy Trinity has a heart. The human heart is a metaphor for the core of ones being being open to God. I stand (sit) corrected! Not all are holy. None, 3221, none at all. Humble soul will hear the voice of God resounding in their hearts, whereas the proud will heap upon themselves blind guides who can only lead them into a pit. I do not know what I said Harry. You have the document that proves condemnation. I once read that people bring their own holiness to these sites. How could all these good fruits not be from God? Its interesting to read some of the defenders and their circular logic. Holy Mother the Church is wise, wise enough to reserve judgement the issue of authenticity. Elena Maria Vidal, The Poetic Language of the Mass | feat. (Someone above has a way you can bring the document up on the internet.Scroll up and find it.)) The bishops who wrote those letters are not approving authorities for HLM. That is exactly what it is. After reading through the explanations of why certain messages must be regarded as false, it helps readers to be more discerning. . That approval/disapproval belongs to the Bishop of the Diocese in which HLM is, in this case Bishop Lennon. Again, I reiterate something said above: the law of non-contradiction still stands. Jesus told us not t judge, did He not? This was an administrative action, which does not take away from his authority (and his mission to preach, teach and sanctify) to issue a pronouncement on the authenticity of visions/apparitions.
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