Part 2: 7. teaching that all sex is dirty, etc..), I see no sense in throwing the baby out with the bath water. The Dutch colony of New York for a time persecuted Baptists within its territories. Sometimes I feel really sorry for those who are more heavily entrenched than I wasthe pastors kids, and other children who are raised in that mentality, church three times a week, being sent to Bible college (ostensibly for education, but, lets face facts, a lot of it is to find a Godly spouse who firmly embraces the IFB mentality), etc.. These true Baptists added the adjectives Fundamental and Independent to their name in order that they not be identified with the false practices and teaching of the doctrinally unsound churches using the Baptist name. Greetings, (also have an uncle who is a pastor, and an aunt who married a pastor!) So BJ, cry out to Jesus, and tell Him your concerns and troubles. It is surely an affront to any historically informed Baptist identify him by the name of a group that has so hated and persecuted them down throughout history. My brother attends an IFB church. By 1644, these congregations grew to seven churches. They were probably ready for a time of rest after a fruitless night on the water. Secondly, they believe in a clergy/laity distinction by ordaining so-called Pastors. This is not found in scripture. What does the Bible say about the way Christians should dress? I would either be kicked out or asked to put on something to wear. Baptist as a whole were patriots and many Baptist pastors served as chaplains in the Revolutionary Army. To only teach from the New Testament and ignoring the old is not using the whole Word of God. I think I already addressed that point. Everyone knew this was a farce. But still, I think if I wanted to lead Worship wearing Just a speedo I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches. John 10:10, Many Baptist churches have Trustees, but their position was established in order to have legal signatories to sign legal documents of the church. Today the name Baptist is used by many churches who are not truly following the teachings of the New Testament. We are so happy that we left the IFB cult and our relationship with Christ is so much more genuine and heartfelt. Wed love to hear about it! It did not produce a succession of other churches, but those who founded it went on to set up other Baptist churches in England. As far as I can tell, we are not cultic in any way and just like any other denomination we have our doctrinal differences. Baptist The form contains many questions about doctrine and philosophy of ministry. Tithing was never supposed to be for the maintenance of the house of God. Independent Giving ten percent to God is a good thing, I agree with that. KJV Bibles are the best translations because they do not take out the blood of Jesus from scripture as the other versions along with other things. 3:2) for Jews who were preparing for coming Messiah and Kingdom God had promised them. My study of the word psalms is that it includes singing with a musical instrument. We use our monetary resources alone. The IFB prides itself on being Independent and separated from ALL that they perceive to be worldly (which is just about everything). In answer your assumptions about me. Something else to note here, what were they tithing? 17800 SE Main St.Portland, OR 97233503-761-1136. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. Malc. Grayson Fritts is the pastor of All Scripture Baptist Church, a new Independent Fundamental Baptist Church located in Knoxville, Tennessee. Baptists have always been the champions of the Word of God and preaching of the Gospel. It seems like in the church I personally attended, that the powertrip I saw actually stemmed from a total lack of outside maturity from the church in general. Good job Greg!in reference to your reply to Rachel above. They were tired. Although they were a great deal more pious than the Church of England they still practiced most of its beliefs including infant baptism. Wow! It bases its belief in the New Testament teaching that every believer is a priest to himself, having full excess to God without the need to go through a church, church leader or priest. WebDid anybody else here grow up in the Independent Fundamental Baptist movement? When Is It Right To Leave A Church? - IndependentBaptist.com These New Testament believers rejected every attempt to include them in with the other churches who compromised and accepted the Roman governments money, rule and authority. I request any comment left to me is free of insults and vulgarities, please). These churches are good examples of Bible believing churches that existed independent of the Roman Catholic Church, and were for some time not corrupted by its influences. She even gave me a monetary gift when I had no money for food. Sir, Because of persecution by the Anglican church of all who disagreed with it and who refused to agree to its authority, John Smyth had to flee England. The Puritans did not believe in such things and they drove him from their colony. All are welcome to participate. Nope, dont see that. Hello, It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. The name Protestant was given to those churches which came out of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation which began in the 1500s. A church only has authority to set guidelines on dress as it is addressed in Scripture. In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. As I was reading this I was wondering if we had ever crossed paths. with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. That is what saved believers have always believed, because that is what the New Testament which is Gods Word to man says. No one in USA at least (whether IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, MOST CHURCHES, etc) tithe on all belongings at they practiced thier & our money/wealth/argicultural exchange & system is very different. Later, the Dutch issued new orders and allowed religious liberty. First I would disagree that The Church of Christ teaches first century, new testament doctrine. Christians under the grace economy give out thankfulness to God for what Christ has done for them, without any compulsion. It certainly isnt about our adherance to a set of manmade rules. Any way dont want to lie on any church. Its beginning charter reads as follows: We whose names are hereunder written, being desirous to inhabit ourselves in active and passive obedience to all such orders or agencies as shall be made for the public good of the body in an orderly way, by the major consent of the present inhabitants, masters of families, incorporated together into the same, only in civil things.. The Independent Baptist believes that to join with churches who teach and practice false doctrine is condone and even show approval of Biblical error and that all doctrinal error is sin. A central belief among the Independent Fundamental Baptists is an ideal of Separation. (For a explanation of the biblical role of deacons please go to http://bible-truth.org/deacon.html, The pastor of the church is called by majority vote of the congregation. Its fun being a mom to bigger boys. Some Baptist historians, have made attempts at doing this, but in many cases refer to groups as early Baptists who did not in fact hold to pure Baptist beliefs as held today. I have been around the blogosphere enough to know that there are a lot of people wandering in this wilderness. They will not participate, on a church basis, or any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Yelling, storytelling, and moralism replaced proclaiming simply what God has said. They gave me the false impression that God was mad at me and that I wasnt a good Christian. So, I guess we are not all as rigid as one would believe from some comments. It is not historically correct to identify Baptists as Catholic protestors who left the Roman church. John Shore Not sure where to post this so lets try here. You either comply or you are thrown out. It is the clergymen who are affiliated. Best wishes as you find your new, real/genuine walk with Christ. The pastor followed up with me with a long phone call, and that is when we began to discuss the baptism issue, he was very cordial and we simply agreed to disagree, which is probably what you and I will have to do. Other churches founded in New England and in the Middle colonies were the actual mother churches of modern Baptist churches as these churches were responsible for starting other churches. It sounds like you believe that we are not required to tithe, but somehow we are better off if we do? These first Baptist churches formed in England were Armenian in theology, which taught that all men could be saved. @greg The ones Ive attend are really good. Nor can I know the heart of those I preach to. He then begins crying, Im not an expert at body language, but it certainly seemed contrived, preachertainment some would call it. It is very difficult, at first, and a person really does question their salvation, what they want in life, direction, etc. [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". You are correct, I was surprised. NOT ONE. Everyone wanted attention from the pastor and never left the man alone to truly study Gods Word. I love your statement above about The Grace economy I think Im going to have to borrow it. I attend an Independent Baptist church and Ill answer your questions I think a biblical case can be made for modesty, for both men and women, beyond that, you would be hard-pressed to find anything else. I dont see a thing wrong with it; He didnt make us to be wooden. Is this really what youre doing here? I grew up in a Catholic church and boarding school, then was taken out and placed into Lutheran surroundings. You will not regret it. My question would be: When has anyone ever given 10% to GOD. It more often then none goes to the support building, supplies, salaries of a ministry under the leadership of usually a man., Excellent book on the subject is Should the Church Teach Tithing by Russell Kelly, http://www.truthforfree.com/files/PDF/REK-Tithing3.pdf. What I want to know is this typical of someone raised IFB or am I crazy? We are not under law. If it isnt to much trouble please explain your assertion. Be courageous! 1:6-10, 1 Tim. Its nothing personal, just logic. However, history does not record even one Anabaptist group or church becoming or founding a Baptist church. I went on to share with her that in that same passage it says, singing psalms, hymns (which by the way modern churches are throwing out) and spiritual songs. Our church stresses the importance of listening to music that is Christ-honoring and doesnt sound like war as the music mentioned while worshiping the golden calf in the Old Testament (inspired Scripture) You feel distant from what the IFB taught you about God, the Bible and church. I believe it is almost impossible to grow to a complete relationship with God without knowing his nature. I agree! [14], Tarrant County, Texas preacher Dillon Awes attracted considerable controversy for advocating that "every single homosexual" in America be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. WebA podcast for ex-IFB church members, and others who have been affected by Christian Fundamentalism to hear stories, commentary, and comedy about the Independent He was talking about ceremonial law not moral law I think you are confusing those two. But our scary stories lose their power to torment us once we allow God to redeem them. (Kris Camealy). Lynne, It lead me down a road that took me farther away from God rather than closer. They do not find support in the Bible for such a requirement. But I dont self-identify as a Baptist any longer, I simply say that Im a christian. Tithing is still a required act in obedience just like loving the Lord thy God and loving thy neighbor as thyself is. So, IT IS in the New Testament! And Im so glad for the Great Is Thy Faithfulness versefavorite song! If the staff at Costa Mesa accepts the person, he becomes an affiliated clergyman in a global network led by Chuck Smith.. Bj just leave and dont look back! I am a woman who grew up in an ifb church. WebRT @reachjulieroys: A former Baptist missionary has been found guilty of sexually abusing a 4-year-old, who tested positive for gonorrhea last April Jordan Webb, affiliated with an Independent Fundamental Baptist church, could face up to 32 years in prison at his sentencing. WebTwin Cities Baptist Church Independent, Fundamental, Baptist work dedicated to the edification of the believer and spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ for the Glory of God. In my civilian life..and please do pray for our military..I am very honored to serve as Senior Pastor of Coral Ridge in Jacksonville (FL). I was raised Methodist actually AME but I left because there were always some financial obligations. He, however, continued to preach by holding services in his own home. I understand what you are saying about these kind of messages with strong emotional appeals. Firstly, they take a denominational name: Baptist. They reject the efforts of the many who spiritually interpret the Scriptures, placing hidden or specially revealed meanings to the words of the Bible.
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